I have voted Remain. I believe strongly that something like the EU needs to exist and for Scotland to be a member. But the EU is far from perfect.
Scotland is currently a sub-nation as long as it is in the UK
As long as we are a sub-nation within the UK Scotland is most definitely better of IN rather than out.
Neither campaign inspired, both campaigns were #ProjectFear, but we did have a new development i.e. #ProjectHate from the #VoteLeave campaign and their more extreme bedfellows.
Project Hate of Vote Leave actually made me definitely vote Remain
The Project Hate of Vote Leave actually made me definitely vote Remain when initially I was decidedly lukewarm in doing that, wondering whether to just abstain and not bother.
I started off about 55% Remain and ended up according to an online questionnaire 81% Remain. So the leave campaign was very successful in making me go for the opposite of what they wanted.
What a difference in atmosphere between EuroRef and indyref I am stuck between the atmosphere for this referendum in comparison to the last one that occurred in Scotland.
It was also most definitely nothing like a General Election which the television commentators were comparing it to in England. There was nothing happening and nobody at the polling station. It seems just a mid summer overcast Thursday night in summer.
I have seen 3 Vote Leave stalls and one Vote Remain poster on one window.
This compares with 15 Yes posters still displayed on peoples windows from the Scottish Independence Referendum almost 2 years ago.
I have also become increasingly concerned as the campaigns have gone on about the xenophobic rhetoric coming from the Vote Leavers. If people do generally feel that this relates to them and their lives then I am even more sure than I was that Scotland will most definitely be better of outside the UK but still in Europe.
'30 years ago (referring to the 1979 assembly referendum) the people of Scotland were given a chance to decide their future, but was this one of the most cynical exercises of recent times? This is a tale of government intrigue and double dealing and how the political fall out changed the course of history....'
Probably the best video I have ever seen as regards Scottish independence and as relevant now as it was when it was originally posted on YouTube in January 2012. It explains exactly what was the impetus that turned me from a mindless UK drone into a person that believed in Scottish self determination in the late 1970s and 1980s. If I have a wobble caused by the #yoon media I just need to watch this and I immediately realise what all this is about and continues to be about, even before it comes to creating a new and fairer society for all residents in Scotland. A MUST SHARE for everyone.
If the above doesn't work please use the link below and share widely.
At about 4pm on the above day opposite my house in #Dennistoun a group of people gathered with Union flags. They were rowdy and very loud.
I noted that they were there and started to become worried when they started chanting obsenities aimed at Yes voters, and started to sing Rule Britannia and similar songs.
The #NO voting yobs then started throwing rocks at my window (turned out to be a uncooked potatoes, where is a potato famine when you need one?). What a great country the #UK is. The window is not broken (the UK is) but what a thump! I wonder if it was some of those Nazi ones from #GeorgeSquare the other day. Then again perhaps it was just a normal common or garden Labour party member.
I was shaking before hand because of my ME and not sleeping at all last night, and was extremely sore because of doing far too much for Yes. I suppose I phoned the police although I really didn't want to.
Thinking about it now on the 20th, they must have been congregating for their triumphant riot that occured mainly in George Square later on, when they burned Scottish flags, and beat up Yes protestors with no provocation.
I am unlikely to forgive any of you within the near future, as
you have led to your country to being the laughing stock of the world. The NO voters naive condensention and NO campaigners vitriolic
hate was noted also during the campaign, from the unprovoked violence
to the Nazi salutes, to the spitting, to the egging of windows, and to
the intimidation.
You have
selected the side of Orange Order, the neo fascist Britannic Party, the
BNP, the nutters who are UKIP along with the spineless wonders known as
the Scottish Conservative and Unionist party (real Tories), the back
stabbing corrupt establishment in Scotland also known as the Red Tories
(Scottish Labour who are only a brand name in Scotland after all) who
will sell themselves for a decent pub lunch, and lastly the other
quislings the yellow part of the UK CONDEM coalition who are so two
faced that their name is not worth a mention.
I hope now you too at some point in the future will require... 1. to use foodbanks because the social security benefits to which you are entitled are sanctioned for no reason.
2. will have to live on £100 per week for which you paid into the
corrupt UK system for 20 years, and which is routinely taken away from
you because you are assessed as fine but are actually still ill. 3. to avoid going out because you feel so sore and tired, and you do not have enough money to get a taxi or indeed even a bus. 4. when it is cold to choose between at best marginal heating over food. 5. become disabled and then be made homeless because of the bedroom tax. 6. to let your child go hungry because you cannot afford to buy food. 7. to work overtime on top of a full time job but still not earn enough to actually live on.
I hope you will realise also the following...
1. Ultimately your vote will lead to prescription charges, bridge
tolls, and student fees being re-introduced, the council tax freeze
ended and council tax benefit for those in need removed. And to all you older people watch as your free bus passes disappear into history. 2. You have
decided that useless toxic weapons of mass destruction are more
important than your fellow man, and don't really want new hospitals,
teachers, child care for a low cost, a fairer social security system, a
much better transport system and so so many other positive things.
3. You don't care about the environment as you have decided that it is
fine that the fracking of North Britainshire (previously Scotland and
Scotlandshire) can be sold off to the highest bidder. You also are
really just dieing to have nuclear power plants across North
Britainshire (as it is too dangerous to have too many of them down south
4. You have decided that you want the NHS across the whole of the UK
privatised. Up until yesterday with a Yes vote you could have decided to
stop the privatisation of North Britainshire's NHS but you really don't
care about that. 5. You have
decided really that your votes are useless - indeed I hardly see the
point in you going to the polling station in any UK General Election as
the outcome of the whole of North Britainshire's votes in the last 100
years has only changed the outcome of a UK General Election twice.
6. You have said that the squandering of Scottish (now North British)
resources are fine - you really don't mind that Scotland (now North
Britain) could have been the richest country in Europe and you love
being poor, even though you are actually the cash cows for the rich
London elite and those bankers and billionaires that you obviously just
love so much. 7. You have agreed with Johann Lamont the current
Scottish Labour 'leader' in that Scots (or the North British) as we are
now are not genetically programmed to make political decisions. I didn't
agree with her until yesterday. Now I am very tempted to actually say
she is quite right. 8. You have shown that you really don't care
about the rest of the UK either. A Yes vote would have led to a
political and cultural realignment in South and West Britainshire too,
and even allowed some of the non Londoner South Britishers to have a say
in their own Government. 9. You were on the side of the corrupt
British establishment. Anyone for a free duck house on Westminster
Parliamentary expenses? Oh I forgot that is only available for our
betters and we of course we should condescend to actually ask for enough
food. No, no they know best. 10. That you are going to have to get
used to what was termed, after the failed referendum in Canada, the
Quebec effect. Gone will be the optimism that preceeded this vote, and
now we shall no doubt have a North Britainshire recession to boot.
And most importantly do you not realise that for the first time ever
yesterday all people of North Britainshire had the sovereignty of their
nation (now ex nation) in their hands, and you decided to give it away
for nothing.
Thanks NO voters. You have significantly
contributed to the further demise of North Britainshire and I do hope
you will be happy. Just don't come complaining about any of the above
(plus many more things I haven't the energy to mention). After all
thanks to your vote any thoughts of a better future for any of us except
the rich Westminster and priviledged elite has been destroyed for the
near future if not forever.
North Britainshire is not too wee
to be independent, and nor is it too poor (although we could have a damn
site better off if you had looked beyond your own wee cossetted
worlds). However after yesterday I do wonder if we people of North
Britainshire are actually too stupid.
I do wonder what your
motivation was however. Was it fear? Or was it money (I do indeed wonder
if you were paid to vote NO at the polling station) as people went in
Yes and smiling, and frequently came out dejected and avoiding eye
contact.?
If this is Better Together and the best of both
worlds then God help us, as Elaine C Smith said a few weeks ago.
Unfortunately my belief in God after yesterday has been extinguished for
good. Yesterday was his or her last chance.
The below pictures
have the following qualifications since earlier today. The words
Scottish Parliament shown in the first poster should be replaced with
North Britainshire Regional Parliament. The second one should be changed
to Vote NO to stop North Britainshire's people having control over
their own region.
I want to sincerely thank all my #Yes
voting friends for going out and voting yesterday and those who sent
postal votes in. I am extremely proud to have been part of a wonderful #YesMovement
campaign which we most certainly won. Our campaign was positive, clean,
empowering, and was achieved through great feats of endurance all given
for the love of the cause from money entirely raised from Scotland (now
North Britainshire).
How could anyone vote NO based on no vision, no
plan A, no promise of any improvement whatsoever? The #BetterTogether
activists were largely bought and paid for, and their campaign run by
the rich, powerful based in our masters region in the South East i.e
Londonshire (the rest of England and Wales being South Britainshire).
I have no regrets. I was on the right side, doing the right thing for
the right reasons. And I would strongly argue that a NO meant the exact
opposite. Unfortunately we must all now unfairly suffer. So what ever
more and worse shit but different day. Everything always gets worse in
the Godforsaken country of ours (the country I am referred to is the
UK).
Just
got home from seeing my Mum who is unwell and needs some assistance at
the moment, to discover someone has stuck Naw stickers on my front
windows. The person who did this was obviously trying to balance the
somewhat larger Yes posters on the windows. The former were however easily removed.
If I was a Better Together activist perhaps I could claim assault and
get quoted on the BBC, perhaps even making the headlines!
As
it is I put it on Facebook as yet another example of the petty minded
vandalism being targeted at people displaying Yes posters in their
windows and who have Yes Flags in their gardens. It seems that NO
activists (the few of them there are in Scotland, many being bussed in
from down south and paid for the joy of visiting their northern outpost)
seem to dislike the democratic process that is going on in Scotland at
the moment.
A YES vote is about social justice, normalism,
self determination, internationalism, the future, and the settled belief
that we have a very good chance of being able to do things better (as
we certainly have all the resources to do so – as the YES and the NO
campaigns agree, or at least say they do).
We are one of the
most unequal countries in the western world; we have 1 in 3 children
born in Glasgow living in poverty; we have one of the lowest life
expectancies; we have increasing numbers of people relying on food banks
just to feed themselves from week to week, we have western Europe’s
biggest nuclear weapons arsenal situated about 30 miles for our largest
city, and for 27 of the first 65 years of the post WW2 years we have
been ruled by Westminster Governments Scotland didn’t vote for. But we
have best of both worlds they say.
All I’d say is if you’re
planning to vote No and you’re NOT a billionaire businessman, a UK
government minister or a Scottish Labour MP (who doesn't really give a
**** about his constituents), it might be worth wondering why that is.
Felt I must put these videos on this blog as they cut through the rubbish portrayed by Better Together on the matter of Scotland's ability or lack of it to stand on its own two feet as an independent country.
John Jappy says...
'As a civil
servant in London, and being part of the establishment, I always
accepted the general view that an independent Scotland would not be able
to survive on its own without financial help from the London Exchequer.'
'However,
when in 1968 I was able to examine the so-called "books" for the first
time, I was shocked to find that the position was exactly the opposite
and that Scotland contributed much more to the UK economy than its other
partners. This was, of course, before the oil boom.'
I have always believed that Scotland would be better off independent. As a
child I can not remember feeling any different to now, although this
feeling has grown with good reason thanks the UK's handling of Scotland over the years.
My
road to voting YES in this referendum really started in 1978/79 when it
is often historically stated that Scotland
voted NO to devolution.
In Scotland a majority actually voted YES to the establishment of a
Scottish Assembly to handle Scottish affairs, but, because of the terms
of the Act
passed by Westminster no devolution was given. These terms that 40% of
the
total population had to vote YES. This meant that dead people actually
counted
as NO votes; those that could not be bothered to vote counted as NO
votes;
those people who felt that it didn't concern them who also had a vote
but did
not use it also counted as NO votes. For any other referendum or
election these
terms are completely ridiculous and outrageous but for Scotland it was
okay
according to Westminster. The fact that
we went into the Common Market on a simple majority which was a far
bigger
constitutional change for the UK as whole didn't matter.
The results of the Scottish Assembly Referendum in 1979
Scotland in 1979 by any reasonable democratic measure therefore did vote YES in
1979! Never let it be said that they didn't.
After we voted NO
according to Westminster (but actually voted YES in the real world) we
were then saddled with Mrs Thatcher who was thoroughly detested by the
vast majority the length and breadth of Scotland. Her policies destroyed
the vast majority of Scotland's industries and she completely
squandered the oil resources when they were at their peak. The strong
pound caused by the oil made manufacturing which otherwise would
have remained profitable unsustainable thus throwing thousands of Scots
needlessly onto the dole queue.
You mention strong labour unions
in your letter. Scotland and the UK in general haven't had strong unions
since the 1980s. Indeed it is virtually impossible for unions to fight
on their members behalf given the state of employment laws in the UK
now.
I should know, given that I have been in a situation where
the union I was a member of fought doggedly on my behalf. I came out
thoroughly battered by the situation, still ill which was legally denied
by the company for which I was working, but financially more secure.
What should have happened was that the company should be taken to the
cleaners.
Labour unions are constantly referred to as destroying
UK industry in the 1970s and 1980s. I shall take the car industry as an
example. The UK's car industry is now actually larger than it was then
but is instead owned by external companies. The employees are of the
same stock, the unions are the same but what has mainly changed is the
management. Therefore to me the management of the British car industry
in the 1970s and 1980s must take a larger share of the blame than the
unions. Who was running the show? The buck stops at the top. The
management were the ones who reaped any significant financial reward, so
they are the ones mainly responsible.
Westminster wouldn't know the
meaning of the word democracy unless of course people vote in a way that suits
them (but if you are Scotland then that doesn't matter much given that we have
only affected the outcome of a General Election twice in 100 years. Do you want to wish us luck
for 2015 if we vote NO?). How can this be the great EQUAL union of nations that
the UK is according to Better Together when you are dominated by England 59 to
533 (which incidentally works out as 9% representation).
I want Scotland to be normal and be able to make its own decisions without
being dictated to by Westminster in which Scotland has such a small stake.
I want Scotland to be free of nuclear weapons, which are currently situated
here because they are too dangerous to be situated in the Thames just beside
the Houses of Parliament in London.
I want to get rid of the absurd notion that being run by a Parliament we did
elect in Edinburgh with no real power and one which we most definitely did not
vote for in Westminster is actually 'the best of both worlds'.
Scotland is Better Together? For whom? Scotland is Better Than This!
I want to live in a country that actually utilises its resources wisely rather
than completely squandering them like the UK has done with the oil from
Scotland's waters in the North Sea.
This is completely unlike one of Scotland's
nearest neighbours Norway (who with a similar population, similar oil reserves
but a less diverse economy, has invested their proceeds wisely, and the money
from those oil revenues will benefit the Norwegian people forever). They are also now one of the richest countries in the world.
You
mention Europe and whether it is a good idea for Scotland or indeed the
UK to be member. Let us take the Scandinavian countries as an example.
Norway
is not a member of the EU. It has its own currency. It is also
extremely successful. However it has to be pay the EU for access to the
European single market and follow European regulations but as a result
of not being a member has no say in the making of those regulations.
Sweden
to which Norway was previously joined is a member of the EU, but still
has its own currency. It is also more successful economically than
Scotland is.
Finland is a member of the EU and is also a member
of the much maligned Euro currency which many EU countries adopted in
the early 2000s. It however is also more successful economically than
Scotland.
So the problem here is not Europe or the EU, or even the Euro. The problem for Scotland has and will remain the UK unless we vote YES.
Scotland
is
also unlike almost ANY OTHER OIL producing country in the World (except
Iran) in
that it has not invested the oil proceeds for the future. This was
another
decision again taken by Westminster on the Scots behalf as they knew
best! Scotland
has very little to show for discovering oil and indeed it can credibly
be
argued that Scotland has suffered because of it due to the strong pound
and its resulting adverse affect on manufacturing industry. To quote
Margo MacDonald an independent Scottish politician who believed in
independence 'The economic management of Scotland's
resources by London has been awful, surely we couldn't do it worse ourselves?'
A quote from the late Margo MacDonald, a great respected Scottish politician who is much missed.
As has been proved by the Scottish Parliament YES WE CAN make better decisions
ourselves if we have control over our own affairs. We have decided to
prioritise our spending (as that is all we in actuality have any real control
over at present) in different ways i.e. abolishing tolls on Scottish bridges,
making prescriptions free so you are not taxed for being ill, making
student fees free so again the person wishing to improve themselves is not
taxed more than once for the audacity of actually wanting to improve their own,
their family’s, and their descendants lives, and ultimately improving their
country's and the World’s future. We have prioritized infrastructure spending
to boost our wide ranging and diverse economy both now and in the future.
Before this wouldn’t have happened – As Boris Johnston the Conservative London mayor says ‘My argument to the Chancellor and the Treasury is that a £
spent in Croydon is of far more value to the country (UK?) in strict
utilitarian calculus than a £ spent in Strathclyde. Indeed…’.
We have tried with limited resources to mitigate the effects
of policies that are an anathema to Scotland like the welfare cuts but in our
current position we can do only so much. Why does it make economic and social
sense to have a few so very rich, when the poorest and most vulnerable must
rely for food-banks for their very survival whilst living in freezing homes
because they can’t afford to heat them, if indeed they have a home at all? (Why
is it you need to be sent to prison in the UK to be assured of having a roof
over your head, and enough food to eat? Why is it you can have a full time job,
due to the low UK minimum wage, but still not earn enough to have enough money
to actually live on without additional assistance? Indeed in such a rich
country (referring on this occasion to the UK as whole) are these things and
many other similar examples not obscene?)
Indeed why should we have to try to reverse the effects of a
decision that we in general strongly object to (by spending part of a finite
amount of money, so graciously given back to us by Westminster, thus damaging
some other person as a result), when we and our own Parliament could have made a
better decisions for the people of Scotland in the first place?
It has been said many times that a decent society should
make decent provision for the poorest and most vulnerable, and this is a mark
of true civilization. Where does this fit in to the current UK philosophy,
particularly since all the London based UK parties generally agree on the
current fiscal package and the current political trajectory. Scotland seems to
have developed, over a long period, a different political and social philosophy
summed up by the saying ‘We’re all Jock Tamson’s bairns’. It seems finally to
be realising this no longer applies if it decides to stay in the UK.
In
my own situation I am extremely resentful of the UK's attempts to
reduce the amount of money spent on welfare. In my own situation I am
ill through no fault of my own. I am given approximately £100 per week
to live on when I get it. I paid into a system which I believed would be
there when I needed it as a safety net. Instead every year (apart
amazingly for this one) I am assessed as being 100% fit, have my income
removed, and then have to go to a small court each time to have the £100
per week reinstated which I am entitled to receive as I was ill all
along. This constant fight for a pittance of an income constantly
undermines the likelihood of recovery.
The choice between YES and NO is almost nothing to do with
Bannockburn, tartan, bagpipes, haggis (and dare I say it Tunnocks Tea Cakes, or
Barrs Irn Bru and the like after the Glasgow Commonwealth Games 2014 opening
ceremony last week) and Scotland’s romantic past as portrayed by Sir Walter
Scott and continuously perpetuated by perplexed media persons of all nations who
seem unable to understand.
It is nothing to do with traditional anti external forces of
nationalism which the UKIP is espousing which is striking a chord mainly in voters
who feel disenfranchised in England, and much more radically the National
Socialists did in Germany prior to the Second World War. It is not about ethnicity,
nationality, sex, or sexuality either, as is illustrated by the diversity and
inclusivity of the YES campaign (see English Scots for YES, Africans for YES,
Cabbies for Yes, Academics for YES, YES LGBT, NHS for YES, etc.). Who would
have thought that we would have Labour activists campaigning for the same goal
as the SNP, the Scottish Greens, the Scottish Socialists, and even right wingers
too?
It is not about putting up borders where none existed as they
do all ready in Scotland’s every-day life. Indeed it is about removing some
barriers and lowering some borders to people from around the World, including
the 800000 people who reside in the remaining UK who currently have no jobs
here to match their talents and aspirations. It is about ending the almost
obligatory requirement for Scots to go to other parts of the World, and the UK,
in particular London, to fulfill their cherished ambitions. Why can these ambitions
not be equally achieved currently in Scotland? Does this not mean the current
set up doesn’t work well? To me it is obvious things are not fine the way they
are, and that little seems likely to change in the foreseeable future if we stay in
the UK.
A YES vote will show that Scotland has finally shown it needs
to join the world on its own terms, free from the often toxic filter of
Westminster which still seems to hark back to British power, imperialism and Empire.
A YES vote is about social justice, normalism, self determination, internationalism, the future,
and the settled belief that we have a very good chance of being able to do things
better (as we certainly have all the resources to do so – as the YES and the NO
campaigns agree, or at least say they do).
We would have an equal place in the World
as a nation, just like any other. As you mention I have heard the
arguments that Scotland’s
voice at the UN, in Europe and in other international bodies would be
much
diminished if we are an actual member state and I don’t believe it. The
UK constantly represents itself in the world in a way exactly the
opposite to what Scotland would. Therefore a smaller voice saying the
right thing is much better than being part of a bigger voice saying and
doing the wrong thing.
Scotland’s Future is in Scotland’s hands on the 18th
September 2014. For the first time all the residents of Scotland will hold
their own country’s sovereignty in their own hands in a single moment. Whose
hands will that sovereignty will be in the day after? I know whose hands I want it to be in. I don’t
want to be as reckless as the UK has been, with Scotland’s resources and people,
up until now. It is far better to have more control in an uncertain World. I
am risk averse so I am voting YES (as a country with £1.3 trillion of
debt whilst having had the benefit of North Sea oil is far from stable
and completely incompetent).
I
attach as a last reference for you are several video links which are
being created across Scotland at the moment in the fight for a YES vote.
The vast majority of these are being created by people through choice,
who feel strongly and without payment. The YES campaign have less than
half the funding of the Better Together campaign as the latter is funded
largely by powerful vested interests many in the Westminster House of
Lords (a non democratic institution) and those who have won whilst the
Scottish voters have lost. It is a David and Goliath situation with the
Yes campaign being David. The YES campaign has thousands of unpaid
volunteers and activists whilst the Better Together campaign mainly
involves the rich and powerful.
Despite my illness, my difficult
financial circumstances caused by my illness and exacerbated by the UK
Government's welfare system, and the partially looking after Mum and
Dad, I am one of these activists who are giving their time and limited
reserves of energy to this very just cause.
I hope all the above links will work as some may be barred because you will be looking at them from Canada.
And
lastly you needn't worry about your beloved Union Flag. Even if
Scotland does vote YES and becomes independent it looks like the Union
Flag will remain as it is. After all it did not change when Ireland left
the UK in the 1920s. It has also been discovered by Westminster (which
to me adds to why we should get out of the UK as fast as possible) that
the UK has no official flag according to statute. So it must first adopt
the Union Flag as its official flag to change it!
So hopefully
this helps you in your understanding of the Scottish Independence
debate. I don't know how it will all turn out. However day by day it is
looking more like a YES vote, but the NO vote still is higher in the
polls. I shall be shattered but not surprised if Scotland votes NO given
the amount of scaremongering going on at the moment, but we shall just
need to wait and see.
I would be grateful for your opinion on the above although you don't need to be so long winded.
It really baffles me how anyone in this country actually
believes that we are Better Together. I can't get my head around it. The best
of both worlds they say. I don't think we have the best of any worlds.
We are one of the most unequal countries in the western
world; we have 1 in 3 children born in Glasgow living in poverty; we have one
of the lowest life expectancies; we have increasing numbers of people relying
on food banks just to feed themselves from week to week, we have western Europe’s
biggest nuclear weapons arsenal situated about 30 miles for our largest city, and
for 27 of the first 65 years of the post WW2 years we have been ruled by Westminster
Governments Scotland didn’t vote for. But we have best of both worlds they say.
Waken up! Is there anybody actually voting No in September? Why would that be?
All I’d say is if you’re planning to vote No and you’re NOT
a billionaire businessman, a UK government minister or a Scottish Labour MP (who doesn't really give a **** about his constituents), it might be
worth wondering why that is.
